Laurel Letter of Pends and Discussion (LoPaD): March 30, 2005

Society for Creative Anachronism

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For the November 2004 meetings, printed March 30, 2005

To all the College of Arms and all others who may read this missive, from François Laurel King of Arms, Evan Wreath, and Margaret Pelican, greetings.

This letter contains the issues raised in the November 2004 LoAR for CoA discussion. The text in this letter is copied verbatim from that LoAR; it is provided here for convenience. As with a February LoI, these matters are currently scheduled for the Laurel meetings in June 2005. Original commentary must be in the College's hands no later than April 31 2005. Responses and rebuttals to commentary must be in the College's hands no later than May 30 2004.

1. Ealdormere, Kingdom of. Badge. (Fieldless) A wolf passant argent, collared sable & langued gules grasping a flag gules, three trilliums argent barbed and seeded vert.

This does appear to be a supporter according to this precedent: [(Fieldless) A dog passant Or collared gules sustaining in its mouth a flagstaff flying a banner of the Cross of St. George] This fieldless badge appears to be a supporter maintaining a flag with arms on it. As we do not register supporters, we cannot register this. Moreover, we could not register Argent, a cross gules to the submitter because he does not have the right to display the Cross of Saint George as his own armory. [Luther Anshelm, 11/99, R-Caid]

However, Argent Snail argues that we should overturn this precedent based on supporters being almost always rampant and provided research directly to Wreath. For this reason we are pending this item to allow the college to discuss the question of does the posture of the creature effect its status as a supporter or an integral charge.

We expect that Argent Snail will provide the College of Arms with her research as part of this discussion.

Pray know that I remain

In service

François la Flamme

Laurel Principal King of Arms