Laurel Letter of Pends and Discussion (LoPaD): January 20, 2005

Society for Creative Anachronism
College of Arms

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Houston, TX 77083-4921

For the August 2004 meetings, printed January 20, 2005

To all the College of Arms and all others who may read this missive, from Franšois Laurel King of Arms, Evan Wreath, and Margaret Pelican, greetings.

This letter contains the issues raised in the August 2004 LoAR for CoA discussion. The text in this letter is copied verbatim from that LoAR; it is provided here for convenience. As with a January LoI, these matters are currently scheduled for the Laurel meetings in May 2005. Original commentary must be in the College's hands no later than March 31 2005. Responses and rebuttals to commentary must be in the College's hands no later than April 30 2004.

  1. Emily of Swordcliff. Device. Per pale sable and argent, a wolf's head cabossed per pale argent and vert.

    The wolf's head is demonstrably not per pale argent and sable as stated on the LoI. This is being pended to the May 2005 meeting for conflict checking under the correct tinctures.

    This item was originally number 15 on the Middle April 12, 2004 Letter of Intent under the name X˙n MŔi L{iu}.

  2. William of Tir Ysgithr. Holding name and device. Or, a vol sable and a bordure gules.

    Orle pointed out a possible conflict against William Guiscard (March 1989): Or, a pair of bat's wings, conjoined and displayed, sable within a bordure countercompony vert and argent, with one CD for tincture of the bordure but none for type of wing, citing precedent: "[a winged serpent vs a bat-winged tree python] The change to the type of wings is too slight to count for the necessary second. [i.e. there is not a significant difference between a bird-winged and a bat-winged creature.] (Onuphrius Dru Overende, 1/95 p. 14)"

    However, here the charge is only the wings. We are pending this device to allow the College to provide research and commentary on the difference between bat wings and bird wings as standalone charges.

    This item was originally number 29 on the Atenveldt April 20, 2004 Letter of Intent under the name Wilhelm Ludwig von Rabeslautern.

Pray know that I remain

In service

Franšois la Flamme
Laurel Principal King of Arms

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