****** Laurel Letter of Pends and Discussion (LoPaD): March 31, 2006
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                 For the January 2006 meetings, printed March 31, 2006

To all the College of Arms and all others who may read this missive,
from Elisabeth Laurel, Jeanne Marie Wreath, and Margaret Pelican,
greetings.

This letter contains the issues raised in the January 2006 LoAR for
CoA discussion. The text in this letter is copied verbatim from that
LoAR; it is provided here for convenience. As with a March 2006 LoI,
these matters are currently scheduled for the Pelican and Wreath
meetings in July 2006. Original commentary must be in the College's
hands no later than May 31, 2006. Responses and rebuttals to
commentary must be in the College's hands no later than June 30, 2006.

   1. Avery d'Aragon. Name (see RETURNS for device).

      Listed on the LoI as Auvere d'Aragon, the forms showed Avery
      d'Aragon. No mention was made on the LoI that a change had been
      made or of the reason for the change. Because the submitter made
      no request for authenticity, we are are at a loss to explain
      this. Changing a name without noting the original form and the
      reason for the change prevents the commenters from properly
      assessing the submitter's wishes and from doing research
      tailored to those wishes. We are changing the name back to the
      originally submitted form and pending it to allow the commenters
      a chance to assess whether the submitted form is registerable.
      The summarization of the documentation for Auvere d'Aragon and
      relevant comments from this round of commenting appear below.

      The LoI summarized the name thus:

           According to the paperwork: "References: "Registres
           des justices de Choisy-le-Temple et Ch{a^}tenay,
           1448-1478: {e'}ditions des registres Z2761 et 902 des
           Archives nationales/ {e'}dit{e'} s par le Centre
           d'{e'}tude d'histoire juridique. (Paris: Champion,
           2000).

           http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/choisy.html"
           ("Names from Choisy, France, 1475-1478," by Sara L.
           Uckelman c. [Jehan d'Aragon] 1478)

           And Dauzat s.n. <Aragon> notes, unsurprisingly, that
           this was originally a byname for immigrants from
           Aragon.

           Reaney & Wilson s.n. <Alfred> note that between 1292
           and 1313 the name appears in Paris, both as a forename
           and as a byname, in the form <Auvere> (pronounced
           approximately \ow-v@-RAY\, with \OW\ as in <cow> and
           \@\ representing the sound of in <about> and <sofa>).
           Indeed, an instance of it as a Parisian forename in
           1292 can be seen in Colm Dubh's 'An Index to the Given
           Names in the 1292 Census of Paris' at
           www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html

      ...and Aryanhwy merch Catmael added in commentary:

           The fact that this was submitted as <Avery d'Aragon>
           should have been noted on the LoI, as well as an
           explanation of why the name was changed. Reaney &
           Wilson s.n. Averay have <Willelmus filius Averay>
           1275, <Nicholas Auverey> 1273, <Walter Averay> 1275,
           and <Walter Averey> 1279, all of which are closer to
           his submitted spelling than <Auvere>.

      This was item 2 on the Middle letter of September 20, 2005.


   2. Justi Ormstunga. Name.

      This name mixes Occitan with Old Norse; such combinations have
      not yet been examined. While there is ample evidence of contact
      between the Norse and French in Northern France, the evidence is
      far scantier for contact between the Provancel region and the
      Norsemen. While names combining Occitan and French may be
      registered without penalty, determinations of cultural contact
      must be examined for each language separately. We are pending
      this item to allow such examination.

      The given name was documented from Flutre, Table des noms
      propres, which lists it as a name appearing in the Roman de
      Flamanca, a 12th C Provencal romance. We would like to remind
      the heraldic community that not all literary names are suitable
      for registration. When a name is documented from Flutre, further
      information should be gathered to show that the name is used by
      ordinary humans. In this case, all characters in this romance, a
      spoof on courtly love, appear to be regular people, so the given
      name is registerable.

      His armory was registered under the name Justi of Atlantia.

      This was item 41 on the Atlantia letter of September 27, 2005.

Pray know that I remain,

In service,

Elisabeth de Rossignol
Laurel Principal Queen of Arms

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