Laurel Letter of Pends and Discussion (LoPaD): 22 August, 2007

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For the May 2007 meetings, printed 22 August, 2007

To all the College of Arms and all others who may read this missive, from Elisabeth Laurel, Jeanne Marie Wreath, and Margaret Pelican, greetings.

This letter contains the issues raised in the May 2007 LoAR for CoA discussion. The text in this letter is copied verbatim from that LoAR; it is provided here for convenience. As with an August LoI, these matters are currently scheduled for the Pelican and Wreath meetings in December 2007. Original commentary, responses, and rebuttals to commentary must be entered into OSCAR no later than Friday, November 30, 2007.

  1. Adhemar de Villarquamada. Name change from Morgan de Villarquamada.

    This name combines Occitan and Spanish, but no information was submitted or supplied by the commenters to show substantial contact between the Occitan speaking regions and Spain (in this case Aragon). While we believe that this should not be a problem, we would like explicit information on such contact. Therefore, we are pending this name to allow commentary on contact between these regions.

    This was item 2 on the East letter of January 30, 2007.

  2. Elewys Cuylter of Finchingfield. Name.

    The submitter requested an authentic 13th C name, but this was not mentioned on the LoI. Although all the elements in the name are dated to the 13th C, it is less clear whether the structure of the name is appropriate for this time period. We are pending this name to allow the commenters to address the authenticity request.

    Here is the original documentation summarization:

    Elewys is documented from Talan Gwynek's "Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames, Part Three: The Names H-Z" at <http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/reaneyHZ.html>under the header <Helewise> and is dated to 1273.

    <Cuylter> is documented from "The textile industry in Essex in the late 12th and 13th centuries: A study based on accopational names in charter sources" by Michael Gervers at <http://www.utoronto.ca/deeds/pubs/doc3/app1.htm>as Richard Cuylter from Finchingfield, dated to 1240. The introductory page can be found at <http://www.utoronto.ca/deeds/pubs/doc3/intro.htm.>It is also documented in "12th & 13th Century English Textile Surnames" by Arayanhwy merch Catmael at <http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/english/textile.html>under the header <Quilter>, also dated to 1240.

    <Finchingfield> is also documented from "The textile industry in Essex in the late 12th and 13th centuries: A study based on accopational names in charter sources" by Michael Gervers at <http://www.utoronto.ca/deeds/pubs/doc3/app1.htm>as Richard Cuylter from Finchingfield, dated to 1240.

    Also included is a page of bibliographical information from an unknown article at <http://eh.net/coursesyllabi/syllabi/munro/NewDrap2.htm.>

    This was item 9 on the An Tir letter of January 31, 2007.

  3. Ránulfr Ŝorfinnsson. Device. Vert, a horse courant dismembered argent, between two axes in chevron blades to center Or and a flame proper.

    This device is pended for discussion on whether or not we should protect Rohan, Vert, a horse courant argent. Latimer in commentary noted:

    The Lord of the Rings having undergone a resurgence in visibility and popularity since the 1995 decision not to protect its armory, I request reconsideration of the protection of Rohan: Vert, a horse courant argent. This is notably visible in the movie (albeit sporadically) as the war banner carried into the battle at Minas Tirith. (The banner is double-sided, with the horse facing the hoist, and is rendered in an artistic style resembling the dismemberment here.) If Rohan is protected, then this must be returned, having just one CD for adding the secondary charges.

    The 1995 ruling that Latimer references states "The commentary on this and the other proposals from Tolkien was somewhat mixed. However popular the Lord of the Rings trilogy is among older members of the SCA, it appears to have lost much of its status over the intervening years. Here, the commentary generally favored not protecting these arms."

    As no commenters addressed the issue, we are pending this for discussion on whether or not Rohan's arms should be protected. We encourage commenters to give their opinions either way, not just to rely on the comments by the first person to respond in OSCAR.

    This was item 24 on the Caid letter of January 24, 2007.

Pray know that I remain,

In service,

Elisabeth de Rossignol
Laurel Principal Queen of Arms


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