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The first items, presented this month, are a series of proposed changes to the examples in the names rules. A review of the rules a few years ago identified several shortcomings in the examples. In large part, the shortcomings are elements and patterns that were believed to be period a decade ago, but have since been demonstrated to be unknown in our period. We would like to have the names examples reflect current registerability. None of these changes are intended to create a change in the Rules and their intent. Please review them. Each example is identified as to its location in the Rules for Submission and the relevant paragraph is cited. The text to be removed is struck through and the added text italicized. Explanations and notes are given first. As these name examples fixes should be straightforward, I am currently planning only a single round of commentary, with the understanding that if issues arise, a second round might be added. Please comment on this as if it were a letter of intent (using, Palimpsest, September 27 - or a similar format - as the header), including for each item the number and header. This allows us to collate commentary. Comments will be due November 30, with responses due December 31. For those reading this who may not be on the mailing list: please ensure that you send a copy of any commentary to me as well as Laurel. The following eight changes to the name rules are under consideration: 1. Ceridwen - This change is intended to replace the SCA-compatible Ceridwen with a documented name that will illustrate the same principle of naming. Both Madoc and Madok are found in Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn's "A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names." RfS II.1 1.Documented Names - ... For example, the alternation of "C" and "K" at the beginning in the spelling of names is a well-documented feature of Welsh. Therefore, both "CeridwenMadoc" and "KeridwenMadok" would be permitted, even if only one of these forms had been found in period sources. "QeridwenMadoq" would not be permitted in a Welsh name, since "Q" does not alternate with "C" and "K" in Welsh. 2. Mac a'Phearsain - While Mac a'Phearsain is registerable under current precedent, the spelling is somewhat atypical. Talan Fause Losenge suggested that we replace it with a more unexceptional period byname spelling, and proffered this one. RfS III.2.a.i. i. A byname may be one of relationship, like a patronymic or metronymic: filz Payn, Johnson, Bjarnardottir, Gudrсnarson, des langen Dietrich bruder `brother of the tall Dietrich', ingen Murchada `daughter of Murchad', Smythwyf, Mac a' Phearsain `son of the parson' mac in tsaeir 'son of the craftsman', abu Sa'id `father of Sa'id'. 3. John William - The purpose of this change is simply to make the gloss clearer; this gives a translation of the meaning rather than a similar surname with the same meaning. RfS III.2.a.ii ii. A byname may be a second given name; in most European cultures during most of our period this is a patronymic byname: John William = John Williamson'John the son of William'. Late in period in some cultures it may be the second part of a double given name: Gian Giacomo Caroldo. 4. Iain - Iain is an SCA-compatible name that has not been found in period. Donnchadh is an unexceptional late period Gaelic name, compatible with the byname. RfS III.2.a.v v. A byname may be a descriptive nickname: Osbert le Gentil, Skalla-Bjorn `bald', Conrad Klein `small', Klein Conrad, Robertus cum Barba `with the beard', Ludolf metter langher nese `with the long nose', Henry Beard, Rudolfus der Esel `the Ass', Gilbert le Sour, John Skamful, Thorvaldr inn kyrri `the quiet', Iain Donnchadh Camshron `hook-nose'. 5. Clan Stewart - There was no clan Stewart in period. Gaelic clan names were created using the genitive form of a founder's name, as is done in the new example. RfS III.2.b.iv iv.Household Names - Household names must follow the patterns of period names of organized groups of people. Possible models include Scottish clans (Clan Stewart Domhnaill), ruling dynasties (House of Anjou), professional guilds (Baker's Guild of Augsburg, Worshipful Company of Coopers), military units (The White Company), and inns (House of the White Hart). 6. Jesus the Imam - No evidence has been found for the use of Jesus as a name in Spanish in period. Flipping the example, (from Christian+Muslim to Muslim+Christian) shouldn't change the meaning. RfS IV.2 2. Offensive Religious Terminology - Magical or religious terminology that is excessive or mocks the beliefs of others will not be registered. Magical or religious words are not usually inherently offensive, but may offend by context. For example, although the name Jesus Mohammed is common in Spanish Arabic, the juxtaposition of it with reference to other religions, like Jesus the Imam Mohammed Abbot, could be considered a mockery. Use of an unusual number of religious elements might disturb both devotees and opponents of a particular religion. 7. Nic Thorcuill - Nic is not registerable in Gaelic context under current precedent, because it did not come into use until after 1600. Soundalike forms are used in Scots, and are the smallest change. Pelican ruled these forms (nyk and mac) too similar in sound and meaning in the Cover Letter of 4/02. RfS V.1.a (a) Bynames of Relationship - Two bynames of relationship are significantly different if the natures of the relationships or the objects of the relationships are significantly different. Smythwyf is significantly different from Smithson because the nature of the relationship is significantly changed; it is significantly different from Tomwyf because the object of the relationship has been changed (from Smith to Tom). Mac Thorcuill Mac Corkell `son of Thorcull' is equivalent to Nic Thorcuill nyk Corkell`daughter of Thorcull', and Richards is equivalent to Richard and to Richardson; in each case the sound is insufficiently different. Hobson is significantly different from Robertson, however, because Hob and Robert differ significantly in sound and appearance and are not being used in given names. 8. St. Giles - The example includes an abbreviation, which we would not register. The replacement wording simply expands it. RfSVI.1 Titles like Earl and Duke generally may not be used as Society names, even if the title is the submitters legal name. Names documented to have been used in period may be used, even if they were derived from titles, provided there is no suggestion of territorial claim or explicit assertion of rank. For example, Regina the Laundress is acceptable but Regina of Germany is not. Claim to membership in a uniquely royal family is also considered presumptuous, although use of some dynastic surnames do not necessarily claim royal rank. For example, there was a Scottish dynasty named Stewart , but there were also many other Stewart families so use of that surname does not link one unmistakably to the royal house. Hohenstaufen , on the other hand, seems to have only been used by the line of Holy Roman Emperors, so its use makes a clear dynastic claim. In some cases, use of an otherwise inoffensive occupational surname in a territorial context may make it appear to be a title or rank, such as John the Bard of Armagh or Peter Abbot of St. Giles Saint Giles. 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