Collected Precedents of the S.C.A.: Personal Names

Name Precedents: Personal Names

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François la Flamme 2001.12 The Letter of Intent listed this item as a device-only submission, and noted in the discussion that Kingdom had formed a holding name. This must be returned because, according to the Administrative Handbook, Kingdoms cannot form holding names. This is therefore administratively equivalent to a submission without an associated name. Also according to the Administrative Handbook, armory may not be registered without an associated name. [Niall of Skelter Gate, 12/01, R-Ealdomere]

Da'ud ibn Auda (2nd tenure, 2nd year) 1994.11 Trevor is a locative surname, from the Welsh tref fawr, "large homestead". The client needs a given name here. (Da'ud ibn Auda, LoAR November 1994, p. 16)

Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane 1988.02.21 By the submittor's own documentation, [Name] is a family name derived from a place name and therefore is not eligible for use as a given name in the Society without evidence that it was so used in period. (LoAR 21 Feb 88, p. 11)

Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane 1987.02.28 "[Name]" appears to be an epithet rather than a given name ("the [Name]"). This is not permissible. (LoAR 28 Feb 87, p. 17)

Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane 1987.02.28 From his own documentation "[Name]" appears to be an epithet rather than a given name ("the [Name]"). This is not permissible. (LoAR 28 Feb 87, p. 17)

Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane 1987.01.25 The name was submitted as [Diminutive Name].... We have substituted the non-diminutive form of the name. Although he may be commonly called [Diminutive Name], the presupposition is that his legal given name is [Name] or some other full name. (LoAR 25 Jan 87, p. 5)

Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane 1987.08 "[Name]" is not a given name, but rather is derived from a descriptive.... He needs a given name. (LoAR Aug 87, p. 14)

Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane 1987.08 By the submittor's own evidence "[Name]" is not a given name, but rather is derived from a descriptive.... He needs a given name. (LoAR Aug 87, p. 14)

Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane 1986.10.26 Note that Master Baldwin, in his letter for the 18 May meeting indicated that [the submittor] would have to register a badge to protect her name. This was erroneous: even if it had not been attached to a badge or registered as such, it would be eligible for protection under NR15b "The College of Arms reserves the right to protect the unregistered names of past monarchs and great officers." (LoAR 26 Oct 86, p. 4)

Baldwin of Erebor 1985.02.03 While fools may have been known in period by names such as "Patch", "Clod", etc., it would appear that these were stage names or aliases. The Rules for Submissions (VII.1) require a given ("birth") name for purposes of registration, whatever the professional name might be. [BoE, 3 Feb 85, p.13]

Baldwin of Erebor 1984.09.28 Luigino is a diminutive form of Luigi, and does not appear to have been used as a given name in its own right. Our policy in such cases is to register the "formal" form of the name. His friends may, of course, continue to call him Luigino. [BoE, 28 Sept 84, p.1]

Wilhelm von Schlüssel 1982.02.26 The name has no given name, only two sobriquets. (This would not even have been acceptable in 1979.) WVS [63] [LoAR 26 Feb 82], p. 10

Wilhelm von Schlüssels 1982.06.14 It is acceptable to have an adjective precede the given name, so long as you do not try to use an adjective as the given name. WVS [72] [LoAR 14 Jun 82], p. 4

Wilhelm von Schlüssel 1980.08.27 N. is not a given name, but instead is a soubriquet. WVS [23] [LoAR 27 Aug 80], p. 9

Wilhelm von Schlüssel 1980.07.21 N. is a place, not a given name. WVS [21] [LoAR 21 Jul 80], p. 11

Karina of the Far West 1979.06.30 You need a given name, such as your mother might have given you in your cradle. So far you have an epithet, a surname, and a place name. (KFW, 30 Jun 79 [25], p. 75)

Karina of the Far West 1977.08.11 "N." is a place name, and would be good as a surname; take a given name. (KFW, 11 Aug 77 [14], p. 6)

Karina of the Far West 1975.12.12 [Zaragoza N.] This is a very interesting travelogue but there is no personal name in it. "Zaragoza" is a city and province in Spain, formerly Caesarea Augusta. He might as well call himself Pittsburgh. (KFW, 12 Dec 75 [1], p. 5)

Laurel:	Date: (year.month.date)	Precedent:
François la Flamme	2001.12	The Letter of Intent listed this item as a device-only submission, and noted in the discussion that Kingdom had formed a holding name. This must be returned because, according to the Administrative Handbook, Kingdoms cannot form holding names. This is therefore administratively equivalent to a submission without an associated name. Also according to the Administrative Handbook, armory may not be registered without an associated name. [Niall of Skelter Gate, 12/01, R-Ealdomere]
Da'ud ibn Auda (2nd tenure, 2nd year)	1994.11	Trevor is a locative surname, from the Welsh tref fawr, "large homestead". The client needs a given name here. (Da'ud ibn Auda, LoAR November 1994, p. 16)
Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane	1988.02.21	By the submittor's own documentation, [Name] is a family name derived from a place name and therefore is not eligible for use as a given name in the Society without evidence that it was so used in period. (LoAR 21 Feb 88, p. 11)
Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane	1987.02.28	"[Name]" appears to be an epithet rather than a given name ("the [Name]"). This is not permissible. (LoAR 28 Feb 87, p. 17)
Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane	1987.02.28	From his own documentation "[Name]" appears to be an epithet rather than a given name ("the [Name]"). This is not permissible. (LoAR 28 Feb 87, p. 17)
Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane	1987.01.25	The name was submitted as [Diminutive Name].... We have substituted the non-diminutive form of the name. Although he may be commonly called [Diminutive Name], the presupposition is that his legal given name is [Name] or some other full name. (LoAR 25 Jan 87, p. 5)
Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane	1987.08	"[Name]" is not a given name, but rather is derived from a descriptive.... He needs a given name. (LoAR Aug 87, p. 14)
Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane	1987.08	By the submittor's own evidence "[Name]" is not a given name, but rather is derived from a descriptive.... He needs a given name. (LoAR Aug 87, p. 14)
Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane	1986.10.26	Note that Master Baldwin, in his letter for the 18 May meeting indicated that [the submittor] would have to register a badge to protect her name. This was erroneous: even if it had not been attached to a badge or registered as such, it would be eligible for protection under NR15b "The College of Arms reserves the right to protect the unregistered names of past monarchs and great officers." (LoAR 26 Oct 86, p. 4)
Baldwin of Erebor	1985.02.03	While fools may have been known in period by names such as "Patch", "Clod", etc., it would appear that these were stage names or aliases. The Rules for Submissions (VII.1) require a given ("birth") name for purposes of registration, whatever the professional name might be. [BoE, 3 Feb 85, p.13]
Baldwin of Erebor	1984.09.28	Luigino is a diminutive form of Luigi, and does not appear to have been used as a given name in its own right. Our policy in such cases is to register the "formal" form of the name. His friends may, of course, continue to call him Luigino. [BoE, 28 Sept 84, p.1]
Wilhelm von Schlüssel	1982.02.26	The name has no given name, only two sobriquets. (This would not even have been acceptable in 1979.) WVS [63] [LoAR 26 Feb 82], p. 10
Wilhelm von Schlüssels	1982.06.14	It is acceptable to have an adjective precede the given name, so long as you do not try to use an adjective as the given name. WVS [72] [LoAR 14 Jun 82], p. 4
Wilhelm von Schlüssel	1980.08.27	N. is not a given name, but instead is a soubriquet. WVS [23] [LoAR 27 Aug 80], p. 9
Wilhelm von Schlüssel	1980.07.21	N. is a place, not a given name. WVS [21] [LoAR 21 Jul 80], p. 11
Karina of the Far West	1979.06.30	You need a given name, such as your mother might have given you in your cradle. So far you have an epithet, a surname, and a place name. (KFW, 30 Jun 79 [25], p. 75)
Karina of the Far West	1977.08.11	"N." is a place name, and would be good as a surname; take a given name. (KFW, 11 Aug 77 [14], p. 6)
Karina of the Far West	1975.12.12	[Zaragoza N.] This is a very interesting travelogue but there is no personal name in it. "Zaragoza" is a city and province in Spain, formerly Caesarea Augusta. He might as well call himself Pittsburgh. (KFW, 12 Dec 75 [1], p. 5)