Collected Precedents of the S.C.A.: Romany / Gypsy

Name Precedents: Romany / Gypsy

Laurel: Date: (year.month.date) Precedent:

François la Flamme 2003.08 This name combines an Anglicized Irish feminine given name with a Romany placename. However, no evidence was provided showing that Anglicized Irish and Romany were spoken in the same location in the same time period. Lacking such evidence, this lingual mix is not registerable as it does not meet RfS III.1, which states in part "As a rule of thumb, languages should be used together only if there was substantial contact between the cultures that spoke those languages [...] Each name as a whole should be compatible with the culture of a single time and place." Lacking evidence that Anglicized Irish speakers and Romany speakers had substantial contact in period, this combination is not registerable.
Additionally, there were problems with each element in this name. [...]
Weshen-eskey gav was documented as the Romany name for Epping, England. However, no evidence was found that this name dates to period. Further, no evidence was found that locative bynames were used in Romany in period. Either of these issues would be sufficient reason for return of this byname.
As the submitter allows any changes, this name would be registerable as Eithne of Epping. However, it was generally felt that these changes were more substantial than is generally expected in a major change. Therefore, we are returning this name. [Ena Weshen-eskey gav, 08/2003 LoAR, R-Atenveldt]

Elsbeth Anne Roth 1999.08 As far as we know, Romany names not used amongst outsiders; however, that is a matter for consideration by the submitter and not a bar to registration. [Kisaiya Zingara, 08/99, A-Atenveldt]

Jaelle of Armida 1996.11 [registering Karika Cigani] This was also a difficult decision to make. This name combines a given name used, to the best of our knowledge, only within the Gypsy community, with a word used outside the Gypsy community for Gypsies. The combination seems unlikely, but we have decided to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR November 1996, p. 6)

Da'ud ibn Auda (2nd tenure, 2nd year) 1995.09 Since Romany has been an unwritten language for most of its 1000-year history, the choice is essentially between accepting such documentation and assuming that Romany names have not changed too greatly in the last 400 years, and not accepting Romany names at all; we have chosen the more generous course. (Keja Tselebnika, 9/95 p. 14)

Laurel:	Date: (year.month.date)	Precedent:
François la Flamme	2003.08	This name combines an Anglicized Irish feminine given name with a Romany placename. However, no evidence was provided showing that Anglicized Irish and Romany were spoken in the same location in the same time period. Lacking such evidence, this lingual mix is not registerable as it does not meet RfS III.1, which states in part "As a rule of thumb, languages should be used together only if there was substantial contact between the cultures that spoke those languages [...] Each name as a whole should be compatible with the culture of a single time and place." Lacking evidence that Anglicized Irish speakers and Romany speakers had substantial contact in period, this combination is not registerable. Additionally, there were problems with each element in this name. [...] Weshen-eskey gav was documented as the Romany name for Epping, England. However, no evidence was found that this name dates to period. Further, no evidence was found that locative bynames were used in Romany in period. Either of these issues would be sufficient reason for return of this byname. As the submitter allows any changes, this name would be registerable as Eithne of Epping. However, it was generally felt that these changes were more substantial than is generally expected in a major change. Therefore, we are returning this name. [Ena Weshen-eskey gav, 08/2003 LoAR, R-Atenveldt]
Elsbeth Anne Roth	1999.08	As far as we know, Romany names not used amongst outsiders; however, that is a matter for consideration by the submitter and not a bar to registration. [Kisaiya Zingara, 08/99, A-Atenveldt]
Jaelle of Armida	1996.11	[registering Karika Cigani] This was also a difficult decision to make. This name combines a given name used, to the best of our knowledge, only within the Gypsy community, with a word used outside the Gypsy community for Gypsies. The combination seems unlikely, but we have decided to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR November 1996, p. 6)
Da'ud ibn Auda (2nd tenure, 2nd year)	1995.09	Since Romany has been an unwritten language for most of its 1000-year history, the choice is essentially between accepting such documentation and assuming that Romany names have not changed too greatly in the last 400 years, and not accepting Romany names at all; we have chosen the more generous course. (Keja Tselebnika, 9/95 p. 14)