Collected Precedents of the S.C.A.: Two Element Requirement

Name Precedents: Two Element Requirement

Laurel: Date: (year.month.date) Precedent:

Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme 1993.03 [The Caravan] The household name runs afoul of Rule III.1, which requires all names to have at least two name elements; group names must have a designator and "at least one descriptive element" (III.1.b). To put it another way, the name is too generic to be reserved to a single group. Just as we would decline to register The Household or The Group --- or, just as we declined to register The Buttery (Marion of Edwinstowe, LoAR of April 89) --- so must we return this name. If they add a descriptive element (and assuming no conflicts), it should be acceptable. (Taichleach Selwyn, March, 1993, pg. 25)

Baldwin of Erebor 1985.04.14 It is true that most Anglo-Saxons had only one name. It is also true that if two people with the same given name lived in the same area, they would have acquired distinguishing bynames. Because of the size of the SCA (which covers considerably more territory than did the average Anglo-Saxon community), we must assume that there will eventually be someone else with the same given name; we provide for this by obtaining bynames in advance, before the need arises. (It is not enough to distinguish only the later ones. Owain could apply equally well to anyone with that name; but within our purview, there will be only one Owain the Stout.) [BoE, 14 Apr 85, p.14]

Wilhelm von Schlüssel 1982.02.26 The name has no given name, only two sobriquets. (This would not even have been acceptable in 1979.) WVS [63] [LoAR 26 Feb 82], p. 10

Wilhelm von Schlüssel 1981.11.30 You may not have a name consisting only of one word. I have therefore added N. to the currently registered name, as a nickname. Normally we do not register nicknames but since he was knighted with the name, I will allow it. WVS [57] [LoAR 30 Nov 81], p. 4

Wilhelm von Schlüssel 1980.08.27 N. is not a given name, but instead is a soubriquet. WVS [23] [LoAR 27 Aug 80], p. 9

Wilhelm von Schlüssel 1980.08.27 We must have a surname for our records. WVS [23] [LoAR 27 Aug 80], p. 9

Karina of the Far West 1979.06.30 Take a surname, or provide documentation that your persona is from a culture not using them. (KFW, 30 Jun 79 [25], p. 77)

Karina of the Far West 1979.06.30 You must have a surname or place name. (KFW, 30 Jun 79 [15], p. 65) [Only a given name was submitted.]

Karina of the Far West 1979.06.30 You need a given name, such as your mother might have given you in your cradle. So far you have an epithet, a surname, and a place name. (KFW, 30 Jun 79 [25], p. 75)

Wilhelm von Schlüssel 1979.10.24 Your name isn't a name it's an epithet ... You need a given name. WVS [5] [LoAR 24 Oct 79], p. 17

Karina of the Far West 1977.08.11 "N." is a place name, and would be good as a surname; take a given name. (KFW, 11 Aug 77 [14], p. 6)

Ioseph of Locksley 1973.06.30 [Ilya.] While We find no problem with the badge, We must ask for more differentiation of the name. Is he I[l]lya Kur[y]akin of a certain television show? Is he Ilya Bodanovitch? Who is he? Add more to the name, please. (IoL, 30 Jun 73 [68], p. 1)

Laurel:	Date: (year.month.date)	Precedent:
Bruce Draconarius of Mistholme	1993.03	[The Caravan] The household name runs afoul of Rule III.1, which requires all names to have at least two name elements; group names must have a designator and "at least one descriptive element" (III.1.b). To put it another way, the name is too generic to be reserved to a single group. Just as we would decline to register The Household or The Group --- or, just as we declined to register The Buttery (Marion of Edwinstowe, LoAR of April 89) --- so must we return this name. If they add a descriptive element (and assuming no conflicts), it should be acceptable. (Taichleach Selwyn, March, 1993, pg. 25)
Baldwin of Erebor	1985.04.14	It is true that most Anglo-Saxons had only one name. It is also true that if two people with the same given name lived in the same area, they would have acquired distinguishing bynames. Because of the size of the SCA (which covers considerably more territory than did the average Anglo-Saxon community), we must assume that there will eventually be someone else with the same given name; we provide for this by obtaining bynames in advance, before the need arises. (It is not enough to distinguish only the later ones. Owain could apply equally well to anyone with that name; but within our purview, there will be only one Owain the Stout.) [BoE, 14 Apr 85, p.14]
Wilhelm von Schlüssel	1982.02.26	The name has no given name, only two sobriquets. (This would not even have been acceptable in 1979.) WVS [63] [LoAR 26 Feb 82], p. 10
Wilhelm von Schlüssel	1981.11.30	You may not have a name consisting only of one word. I have therefore added N. to the currently registered name, as a nickname. Normally we do not register nicknames but since he was knighted with the name, I will allow it. WVS [57] [LoAR 30 Nov 81], p. 4
Wilhelm von Schlüssel	1980.08.27	N. is not a given name, but instead is a soubriquet. WVS [23] [LoAR 27 Aug 80], p. 9
Wilhelm von Schlüssel	1980.08.27	We must have a surname for our records. WVS [23] [LoAR 27 Aug 80], p. 9
Karina of the Far West	1979.06.30	Take a surname, or provide documentation that your persona is from a culture not using them. (KFW, 30 Jun 79 [25], p. 77)
Karina of the Far West	1979.06.30	You must have a surname or place name. (KFW, 30 Jun 79 [15], p. 65) [Only a given name was submitted.]
Karina of the Far West	1979.06.30	You need a given name, such as your mother might have given you in your cradle. So far you have an epithet, a surname, and a place name. (KFW, 30 Jun 79 [25], p. 75)
Wilhelm von Schlüssel	1979.10.24	Your name isn't a name it's an epithet ... You need a given name. WVS [5] [LoAR 24 Oct 79], p. 17
Karina of the Far West	1977.08.11	"N." is a place name, and would be good as a surname; take a given name. (KFW, 11 Aug 77 [14], p. 6)
Ioseph of Locksley	1973.06.30	[Ilya.] While We find no problem with the badge, We must ask for more differentiation of the name. Is he I[l]lya Kur[y]akin of a certain television show? Is he Ilya Bodanovitch? Who is he? Add more to the name, please. (IoL, 30 Jun 73 [68], p. 1)