****** Laurel Letter of Pends and Discussion (LoPaD): February 12,
2004 ******

                                      Society for Creative Anachronism
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             For the November 2003 meetings, printed February 12, 2004

To all the College of Arms and all others who may read this missive,
from Fran{c,}ois Laurel, Zenobia Wreath, and Mari Pelican, greetings.

This letter contains the issues raised in the November 2003 LoAR for
CoA discussion. The text in this letter is copied verbatim from that
LoAR; it is provided here for convenience. As with a February LoI,
these matters are currently scheduled for the Laurel meetings in June
2004. Original commentary must be in the College's hands no later than
April 30, 2004. Responses and rebuttals to commentary must be in the
College's hands no later than May 31, 2004.

   1. Hubert d'Avignon. Device. Quarterly azure and vert, in bend two
      crescents Or.

      The field was blazoned on the Letter of Intent as Quarterly
      azure and argent, so this needs to be pended for further
      research.

      (This was item 36 on the East's LoI that had the nominal dates
      of June 20 and 15, 2003, but was redated due to its postmark to
      July 1.)


   2. Russian+French Names. Issue.

      The registerability of names combining Russian and French has a
      mixed history.

      Names mixing Russian and French were ruled unregisterable in
      1993 (Marina la Perdu, 01/1993, R-West) for lack of "evidence of
      regular period contact between Russia and France". In 1996, a
      submission combining Russian elements with a French byname
      (Dasha Miloslava Broussard, 01/1996, R-Atlantia) was registered
      based on a persona story of "Russian girl marries French trader
      and adopts his surname". In 2001, a submission that was
      submitted as Russian and French (Jarucha Ekaterina Delamare, 04/
      2001, R-Caid) was redocumented in commentary as a mixture of
      Russian and English, though the ruling mentions French.

      In all of these cases, no evidence was provided supporting
      regular contact between Russian and French cultures. Therefore,
      we are asking the College to consider this lingual combination;
      specifically, whether there is sufficient evidence of
      significant contact between speakers of Russian and French in
      period to continue to allow registration of this combination
      with a weirdness or whether the contact was limited (or non-
      existant) and this combination should be unregisterable under
      the guidelines for the registerability of lingual combinations
      set forth in the Cover Letter for the August 1999 LoAR.

      As this is a call for discussion of an issue by the College, it
      is included on the Letter of Pends and Discussion with this
      LoAR. Please comment using the LoPaD by the deadlines scheduled
      on it.

Pray know that I remain

In service

Fran{c,}ois la Flamme
Laurel Principal King of Arms

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