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Appearing on the Letter of Intent as `Ali ibn Ja'far al-Tayyib, the patronym should be Ja`far, not Ja'far. Both `Ali and Ja`far use the same letter, `ayn, while the system which uses ` and ' uses ' for hamza. The submitter used the correct forms for the letter, but the Letter of Intent did not. We have restored the name to its submitted form.
The submitter requested authenticity for late 12th or early 13th century Ayyubid Arab. A man named `Ali ibn Ja`far was involved in mid-12th century shipping on the Indian Ocean (in Shelomo Dov Goitein's India Traders of the Middle Ages: Documents from the Cairo Geniza). The byname al-Tayyib appears in the same source in the later 12th century. Thus, the name meets his authenticity request.
Submitted as Éibhleann inghean Séafraid, the given name uses a modern spelling. The period spelling is Eibhilín. Additionally, the byname must be lenited because of Gaelic grammar, making it inghean Shéafraid. We have made these changes in order to register the name.
Commenters questioned whether a reference to Little Bo Peep is obtrusively modern. It is not. References to Bo Peep occur in King Lear and in Playford (where a 1651 dance is titled New Boe Peepe). Orle (who is also the submitter) found references to bo pepe as early as 1364, where it is a reference to standing in a pillory.
The submitter requested authenticity for 12th to 14th century German. This name is plausible for around 1400. Seibicke s.n. Ingeborg dates a variety of spellings to the early 15th century, including Engeborg and Ingeberg, as well as spellings like Ingeborghe, Ingeberch, Ingeborch and Ingheborch. These justify a c. 1400 Ingeborg. Metron Ariston was able to date the byname to c. 1400 as well in Urkundenbuch der Stadt Goslar und der in und bei Goslar belegenen geistlichen Stiftungen. Thus, the name is authentic for the very end of her authenticity request.
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The newts here are the primary charge group, as they are larger and more prominent than the roundel in the center of the field.
There is a step from period practice for the use of charges in annulo where the charges are not in their default orientation.
This badge is not in conflict with the important non-SCA device of O'Connor Don, Argent, a tree eradicated vert. A properly drawn mushroom, as this one is, is at least a DC from a tree.
Submitted as Brizio de Maroni Carazzaio, the name was changed by kingdom to Brizio da Marroni corazzaio to match the documentation they could find. Commenters were able to date carazzaio as an occupational term (found for example in Scipione Ammirato's 16th century Dell'istorie Fiorentine libri venti dal principio della citta infino all''anno MCCCCXXXIII. Occupational bynames may be either capitalized or lowercase in different data sets. Thus, that byname can be restored to its submitted form.
The byname Maroni can be constructed; Marono appears as a 16th century Venetian family name (in Coblaith Muimnech's "Surnames from a 16th-Century Italian Armorial") while Marroni is found in in "1800 SURNAMES RECORDED in 1447". These appear likely to be forms of the same family name, so the submitted Maroni can be interpolated between them.
In 1427 Florence, family names like Maroni are most frequently used without any preposition. However, two different preposition forms appear before family names. The more common is degli or delli "of the X family". Less common, but documented is simply de "of" Thus, the submitted de Maroni is a plausible byname and the name can be restored to its submitted form.
Please advise the submitter to draw the cross thicker.
Reblazoned in April 2012 as Vert, between the horns of a crescent argent a sea-lion statant Or, a chief embattled ermine, this is a primary sea-lion and a secondary crescent.
There is a step from period practice for the use of cobras. While the snake was known to period Europeans, it is not native to Europe, and there are no known examples of its use in period armory.
Please advise the submitter to draw the cross thicker.
Nice 15th or 16th century Gaelic name!
Nice badge!
Under precedent set on the April 2012 Cover Letter, this should be blazoned as (Fieldless) Within and conjoined to a decrescent argent, a tree blasted proper, with the crescent as the primary charge and the tree a maintained charge as it is entirely within the crescent. This does not seem to hold water, especially in this case where the tree is far more substantial than the crescent. A greater discussion of this issue can be found on this month's cover letter. We are hereby overturning the April 2012 precedent governing charges within crescents, and returning to the more general February 2012 precedent governing sustained and maintained charges. As the tree has far more visual weight than the surrounding crescent, it is the primary charge, with the crescent as a secondary charge.
Submitted as House of the Honey Badger, the name was justified on the Letter of Intent as an inn-sign name. While honey badger might be registerable as a lingua Anglica form of an Arabic name for the creature, such a name cannot be used to create an inn-sign name, as is done here. The reason is straightforward; the cultures that might have known what a honey badger is did not use heraldic or similar signs to provide the names of houses or inns. Thus, this name cannot be justified as an inn-sign name.
However, commenters came up with another way to create a household name with this form. Magnus von Lübeck observed that Honey Badger could be constructed as a late period English personal name, given the pattern of using family names as given names at that time and place. Then, a household name could be created using a complete given name. The documented English patterns are þe hous of Julyane huxster and Sir Henry Percy house.
This allows the construction of House of Honey Badger or Honey Badger House. As the first name is closer to the submitted form, we have changed the name to that form in order to register it.
Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as a honey badger, the primary distinguishing feature between a European badger and a honey badger in heraldry would be the location of the markings. When the badger is a single tincture, there are no markings. The submitter also did not provide evidence that honey badgers, a non-European animal, were known to period Europeans. We have therefore reblazoned this as a badger.
Please advise the submitter to drawn the bees larger to aid in their identification.
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Ashley was documented as the submitter's legal name. It is also a late period English given name: Ashly is dated to 1583 and Ashley to 1607, 1635, 1637, and 1638 (ffride wlffsdotter found these in the FamilySearch Historical Records).
Please advise the submitter to draw fewer and larger ermine spots to better aid in their identification.
There is a step from period practice for the use of compass stars.
Please advise the submitter to draw the chief more wavy.
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Dolphin was able to find citations of Arminius as a 16th century German given name in the FamilySearch Historical Records, dating to 1574 and 1611 among others.
While the clearly documented byname form is de Meuse, de la Meuse can be justified as a plausible form. It is found in gray period documents in forms such as Duché de la Meuse (in the 1648 Trois liures du domaine de la couronne de France found at http://books.google.com/books?id=RCN247Emf5oC). The reference here is to a much earlier entity, but makes it clear that late period French speakers found a locative description of de la Meuse a plausible construction. Thus, it can be registered, although de Meuse is a more typical form.
Nice device!
Elsinore is the lingua Anglica form of the Danish place Helsingør, which is among other things the setting of Hamlet.
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The maiden is primarily vert for purposes of conflict.
Nice device!
Nice English name for around 1600!
Nice device!
While Fostra most frequently means "fosterling", its use in phrases like barnfóstra "foster mother of a child" makes it clear that it can be used to mean "foster mother," which is the submitter's intent.
Please advise the submitter to draw the sea-coney slightly larger, so that more of it is off of the anchor, to keep it from becoming "barely overall."
The submitter's previous name, Alainne de Troyes, is retained as an alternate name.
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Reblazoned in April 2012 as Argent semy-de-lys sable, between the horns of a crescent a dragon passant gules, this is a primary dragon and a secondary crescent.
Papworth cites a gray period source for arms that include an item he blazons as a "weathercock." Vane is an alternate period and modern term for that item. Thus is can be registered.
This name does not conflict with the registered Order of the Wain; both are common words and the initial sounds are different. Thus it is different enough in sound under NP.3.C.3. The names are also different enough in appearance, as over half the letters are changed.
This item was pended from the December 2012 Letter of Acceptances and Returns.
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Nice 15th century Spanish name (among other times)!
This name mixes a French given name and a Flemish (Dutch) byname; this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.
This name mixes a French given name and a Flemish (Dutch) byname; this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.
The documentation for both elements of the name was not as strong as we generally expect to justify registration: the given name citations were not clearly for Luc as opposed to a scribal abbreviation for Lucas and the byname spelling appears to have been modernized. Luckily commenters were able to find better documentation. The spelling Luc is dated to 1390 as the name of the saint in the Middle English Dictionary s.v. gospel. Eastern Crown was able to find Fitz-Warrin dated to the reign of Henry VI "at p. 645 in An exact abridgement of the records in the Tower of London (http://books.google.com/books?id=RTbnAAAAMAAJ) printed in 1657." There are also examples of Fitz X without the hyphen, so this can be registered as submitted.
Dolphin was able to date the German byname Wyld to 1615 in the FamilySearch Historical Records.
As the bird here is indistinguishable from an eagle displayed, we would have reblazoned it as such, but chose to retain the original blazon in order to preserve the cant. There is a step from period practice for the use of a non-eagle displayed.
Please advise the submitter to draw the raven and sea-wolf with internal detailing to aid in their identification.
Nice device!
Reblazoned in April 2012 as Sable, within a decrescent a horse's head couped argent, this is a primary horse's head and a secondary decrescent.
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The submitter's previous name, Daniel of Falling Rocks, is retained as an alternate name.
Listed on the Letter of Intent as an alternate name, examination of the forms indicated that the submitter intended this to be a change of name. Communication with the submitter confirmed that intent.
This item was pended from the December 2012 Letter of Acceptances and Returns.
These roses are barbed and seeded proper, but this is an artistic detail that need not be explicitly blazoned.
Nice 12th to 14th century Japanese name!
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Nice device!
Appearing on the Letter of Intent as Ariana di Gallo, the submitter first requested authenticity, then indicated that she preferred the spelling Ariana de Gallo if it could be documented. Ariana is a hypothetical spelling of the name which more commonly appears in Italian as Arianna, based on the Venetian Sant'Ariano found for example in Francesco Sansovino and Giovanni Stringa's 1604 Venetia. The byname de Gallo can be found as the Latinized form of vernacular di Gallo and can be registered as such. We have therefore changed the byname to meet the submitter's request.
Nice device!
The submitter's previous name, Brunissende Dragonette de Brocéliande, is retained as an alternate name.
Nice device!
This name does not conflict with the registered Eiríkr inn danski; the first syllables of danski and írski are substantially different, making them clear under PN3C2.
As documented, this name mixes a Dutch given name and a German byname. After the close of commentary, Aryanhwy merch Catmael was able to examine the source material from her article and confirm that the name Elsken is in fact feminine and not masculine.
However, Dolphin was able to find Elsken as a masculine name 19 times before 1650 in Germany in the FamilySearch Historical Records. Thus, this can be registered as a masculine name that is completely German.
This name conflicts visually with Conch Herald and Order of the Conch, both belonging to the Kingdom of Atlantia. A Letter of Permission to Conflict was received from the owner before the item was pended; however, that letter only granted permission to conflict with the heraldic title, not the order name. The title was pended to allow receipt of an updated Letter of Permission to Conflict from the Kingdom of Atlantia. This has been received and the name can be registered.
This item was pended from the December 2012 Letter of Acceptances and Returns.
Evalina is the submitter's legal given name.
Nice device!
Nice 13th century German name!
The submitter requested authenticity for Old Norse; this name is plausibly so. The byname occurs only in the Heimskringla, a history of the Scandinavian kings written in 13th century Iceland. Whether it is suitable for the same time as Hroaldr is not completely clear, but it seems likely.
This device is not in conflict with the device of Geoffrey FitzDavid, Per chevron gules and chevronelly Or and sable. There is one DC for changing the tincture of at least half the field per A5G1a, and a separate DC for changing the direction of at least half the partition lines of the field per A5G1b. There is also a third DC for changing the style of half the partition lines of the field per A5G1c. We typically consider partition lines, the type of partition lines, and the style of partition lines as an aspect of tincture, but this is mainly for considering change of tincture with charges, or with change of tincture of a field with a primary charge, for which a maximum of one DC may be had for all sorts of tincture changes. However, field-primary armory can be cleared of conflict by two distinct changes to the field under A5G1. While this is two changes to the same half of the field, there is no restriction in SENA on the number of changes counted in the same portion of the field in field-primary armory. Therefore, this device is registerable.
Nice device!
Submitted as Ivan Valfrekr, that name conflicts with the registered Ivarr Valfrekr. The only rule that could make these names not conflict is PN3C3, which says "Comparable single-syllable name phrases are generally substantially different in sound if a group of adjacent vowels or of adjacent consonants within a word are completely changed, so that it shares no sound in common.... On a case by case basis, two-syllable names phrases may be eligible for this rule, such as Harry and Mary." Two-syllable names should be both quite common and quite easily distinguished to qualify for this rule. Thus, changes to the last consonant cluster of two names is rarely sufficient to allow this rule to apply. As the Norse name in particular is not a common familiar name, PN3C3 does not apply here and the names conflict.
The submitter authorized the addition of the element Hroereksson to his name to clear the conflict if necessary. We have added that element in order to register his name.
This name mixes a Russian given name and Norse bynames. As noted on the Cover Letter, Russian and Old Norse is now an allowable lingual mix and will shortly be added to Appendix C of SENA.
Nice badge!
A Byzantine name is unlikely to have one element ending in -e and another in -a; which is used is dependent on dialect. In this case, a name like Rhoda Kephalaina is far more likely. However, the combination is registerable as submitted.
The submitter's previous name, Rosette de Rheims, is retained as an alternate name.
Nice device!
Nice 15th century German name!
There is a step from period practice for the use of compass stars.
The charges in this device are not in a standard period arrangement for five charges as listed in SENA Appendix K. However, the submitter's prior device submission was returned for redraw in June 2012, when the arrangement was registerable under the Rules for Submissions, and at that time the submitter was explicitly granted an exception for a timely resubmission. Its appearance on the Letter of Intent was just over six months after publication of that return, but it had been further delayed in-kingdom by a long queue of Pennsic submissions ahead of it. We are willing to consider this a timely resubmission in this case.
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This name does not conflict with the registered Cecilia Medici. We compare names on sound and appearance. Multiple syllables are changed in sound and appearance. The given name in the submitted name has one less syllable, and the particle dei is added to the submitted name.
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Nice cant!
The submitter has permission to conflict with the device of Fionnghuala Gliobach Mael Ailbe, Gules, a horse passant contourny with a maintained female rider Or.
The submitter also has permission to conflict with the badge of the Kingdom of Meridies, Checky sable and argent, a knight armed cap-a-pie mounted upon a horse courant to sinister a bordure embattled Or.
This item was pended to allow commenters to research combinations of given names and bynames that were temporally compatible. Commenters were able to date Godricus and a constructed vernacular Godric as the name of a saint to 12th century France; this allows its justification as a literary/saint's name at that time. This can be combined with von Eichsfeld (which can be constructed as a late 13th century byname, given the variety of forms of the name documented in the Letter of Intent, and the earliest dates we have for von X, which are from the latter part of the 13th century, according to citations in Socin).
This name mixes a French given name and a German byname; this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.
This item was pended from the December 2012 Letter of Acceptances and Returns.
Her previous device, Per chevron inverted per pale sable and argent and vert, an estoile counterchanged and a hind lodged argent, is released.
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The submitter requested authenticity for mid-1500's Italian Jewish. We cannot confirm that Conso was in use at that time, though it was in use in 15th century Florence. But the name is registerable as submitted.
The spelling Llywellyn is not documented before 1655. Hence it must be constructed. In this case, Llywelyn and Llewelyn appear in Welsh contexts (the former in "Snapshot of a Cantref: The Names and Naming Practices in a Mawddwy Court Roll of 1415-16," by Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, and both in "Welsh Prose: 1350-1425). Llewellyn is unusual, but found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael's "Names from Merioneth, 1453-1459" and in Talan Gwynek's "Late Sixteenth Century Welsh Names." Thus, the submitted form can be interpolated between these 15th century forms.
This name mixes Scots and Welsh; this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.
Nice late 16th century English name!
Nice device!
Nice 14th century Venetian name!
Nice device!
Nice 16th century Scots name!
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There is a step from period practice for the use of a cross of Saint Brigid.
Nice late period Anglicized Irish name!
Nice device!
A sea mew is a bird, specifically the common gull. It is not to be confused with a sea-monster.
The submitter indicated interest in authenticity for 12th to 13th century, but indicated that he preferred the name as submitted. This name uses much later spellings of the locative; a 13th century form would be Chiersbourg or Cheresborc. While this does not meet his authenticity request, it is a lovely authentic 15th century name.
The submitter's previous name, Donnchad Camsron mac Rónáin, is retained as an alternate name.
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Nice late period English name!
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Nice English name from the 12th century on!
Reblazoned in April 2012 as (Fieldless) Between and conjoined to the horns of an increscent argent a compass star Or, this is a primary increscent and a maintained compass star.
Submitted as Mahowny Mac Agaloglie, the given name was constructed from surname forms. The problem with that is that Gaelic grammar alters names between the nominative (given name) and genitive (patronymic) forms. In this case, we have nominative forms of the name in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's "Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/), including Mahon, Mahoun, Mahown, and Mahowne. The last is closest to the submitted form; we have changed it to that form in order to register the name.
The typical spelling of the second given name in Italian is Olimpia. However Green Staff was able to find the submitted spelling in Boccaccio's Buccolicum Carmen, allowing it to be registered as submitted.
Commenters questioned whether this combination of family name and locative created an inappropriate claim. SENA PN4B3 says "Names may not contain both a family name used by an important noble family and the area from which that family derives their title or the seat of the family. Such a combination is considered a claim to rank. Generally this name pattern is limited to Scottish clan chiefs and to barons, counts, and other members of the high nobility."
While this name includes a family name and that family seat, no evidence has been presented that this family rises to the level that we would consider a claim to be part of this family an inappropriate claim to rank. They were not noble nor were they leaders of a clan. We note that an armorial submission that is too close to the family arms might be considered to make an inappropriate claim in combination with the family name.
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Please advise the submitter that the polypus's legs should not cross beneath each other.
The submitter requested authenticity for an unspecified time and place; this name is authentic for late period Scotland.
There is a step from period practice for the use of a compass star.
Nice badge!
Submitted as Eadaoin Inghean Fhuinche, commenters could find no evidence for the capitalization of inghean. We have therefore changed it to the lowercase documented form.
Some commenters have argued that the ruling saying that matronymics in Gaelic are still registerable under SENA allows them to be registered in much broader contexts than were previously allowed. Let us be clear: matronymic descriptions in Ireland are not found before 1200 (with one possible exception). Thus, matronymic bynames are only registerable if they are constructed from feminine names that could have been used after 1200.
In this case, Fuinche is a saint's name, which occurs in the c. 1600 Martyrology of Donegal. Thus it can be used to create a given name in late period as well as in earlier times. Thus, it can be used to create a matronymic byname.
Nice device!
Nice late period English name!
The submitter may want to know that Newhall is dated to the 13th century in Watts' Cambridge Dictionary of English Place-Names, s.n. Newhall.
Sigilli is the submitter's legal surname.
The Letter of Intent did not date Jeanin; Brunissende Dragonette was able to date it as a byname to 1594 in the Supplement aux Mémoires de Condé.
Nice late period English name!
Nice late period English name!
By default, keys are palewise, wards to chief. When placed on a chief, they would ordinarily therefore be fesswise, wards to dexter, but these keys are palewise.
There is a step from period practice for the use of a lightning bolt not as part of a thunderbolt.
Submitted as Sabine d'Armitage, English bynames (which this is) do not elide de to d'. Thus the documentation only supports de Armitage. We have changed it to that form in order to register it.
Submitted under the name Sabine de Saintes dite le Voyageur.
Submitted as Svipdagr Skyldisson, the byname is not correctly formed. The genitive (possessive) of Skyldi is not Skyldis, but Skylda, making the name Skyldason. We have made that change in order to register the name.
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Reblazoned in April 2012 as Azure, within a decrescent argent a lily gules, this is a primary lily and a secondary decrescent.
Reblazoned in April 2012 as Sable, in pale a bezant between the horns of a crescent, all within nine mullets in annulo argent, this is a primary bezant and a secondary crescent.
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- Explicit littera accipiendorum -
None.
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This badge is returned for insufficient documentation under the Individually Attested Patterns section of SENA A4. Most of the examples cited by the submitter are of a single complex outline sable charge on a gules field, with one example of three sable charges on a gules bend. While these examples may document the use of a single complex sable charge on a gules field in German armory, they do not match the complexity of this submission, which has multiple such charges in an unusual arrangement. The one example given which does match it in complexity is not German, but Italian. The submitter is commended for designing a near copy of a period emblazon, but one example does not a pattern make.
This badge is also returned for conflict with the device of Edwin Bersark, Gules, a roundel so drawn as to represent a round shield battered in long and honourable service, argent. There is a DC for the addition of the secondary charge group, but no difference between the roundels.
If this were considered under the core-style rules, there is a step from period practice for the motif of charges in annulo where the charges are not in their default orientation. Under the Individually Attested Patterns rules, this may have been a registerable arrangement, if the rest of the submission were sufficiently documented.
This device is returned for redraw, for using a chief and a base together. Precedent says "[w]e leave open the possibility that there might be designs with a chief and a base together, which would not blur the distinction from a charged fess: if the chief and base were different tinctures, for instance, or if they had different lines of division. But these will have to be considered case-by-case; we'd love to see some period examples of them." [Cynwrig de Montain, R-Artemisia, Nov 2006 LoAR] In this case, while the chief and the base are different tinctures, they have the same complex line. This still blurs the distinction between this blazon, with a primary wolf's head, and Per fess argent and sable, on a fess indented argent a wolf's head cabossed sable, with a charged fess.
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Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as a hand puppet of a jester, hand puppets typically have their arms spread to look more puppet-like; this depiction looks far more like an actual jester, even to the point of holding its own jester's bauble. We have thus reblazoned it as a demi-jester.
This device is returned for blurring the distinction between the primary and secondary charge groups. The mullets and the demi-jester are the same size, leading to the impression of five co-equal charges in an unblazonable arrangement. In order for the demi-jester, or hand-puppet, to be considered a secondary charge, the mullets must be drawn larger. The submitter should be also advised that, upon resubmission, the wavy line of division should be more distinct and not obscured by the primary charges.
This device is returned for not being reliably blazonable, a violation of SENA A1C and A3F5, both of which require an emblazon to be describable in heraldic terms. As we have no evidence of multiple overall charges in period armory, this design is difficult to describe. Three of the lozenges are entirely on the field, one partially overlaps the tree, and one partially overlaps the crescent. This is non-period style in general.
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This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." The cat here is drawn far too naturalistically to be identified, with the entire body curled and the head tucked in such a manner that the outline is a roundish blob rather than a well-defined cat.
This device is returned for blurring the distinction between the primary and secondary charge groups. The branches here are the same size as the swords, leading this to be viewed as a single group of five charges, with the center two crossed. If this is a single primary group, the arrangement is unblazonable and in violation of the unity of posture/orientation rule in SENA A3D2c.
The two branches in saltire are not curved enough to be confused with a laurel wreath as we would register it today, but the submitter may wish to be aware of the issue when redesigning.
This device is returned for violating SENA A3D2c, Unity of Posture and Orientation, which states "A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures." The charges here are not in a unified arrangement, as the cross of four pheons must be blazoned separately from the stag in order to adequately describe their positioning. If there were such a singular charge as a cross made up of four pheons, there would be no unity of posture/orientation issue. However, this is not a period cross, and merely placing four charges together in cross does not make it a singular charge.
Commenters noted that this issue was not mentioned upon the device's prior return in November 2011. However, that was well before the adoption of SENA in April 2012. There was a six month phase-in period for SENA, which ended in October 2012. It is unfortunate that this submission appeared well after the end of the phase-in period, but it would be unfair to other submitters to consider this submission under the old rules.
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None.
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This device has been withdrawn by the submitter.
This badge is returned for redraw for blurring the distinction between a secondary charge and a maintained charge. Per the sustained secondary standards set forth on the Feb 2012 Cover Letter, in order for a charge to be considered a sustained secondary instead of a maintained charge, it must be more than half the visual weight of the primary charge, yet clearly not equal. Here, at best the oak slip is half the visual weight of the stag's massacre, but it is clearly not more than half. We have reblazoned it as a maintained charge.
This badge is also returned for conflict with the device of Reinold Haldane, Per chevron argent and sable, in base a stag's massacre Or, and with the device of Richard Foulweather, Quarterly vert and sable, a stag's massacre Or. In both cases there is one DC for fieldlessness, but nothing else.
This badge is returned for using a charged heart as a fieldless badge. As a heart is considered a medium for heraldic display, this must be considered the same as Argent, three musical notes sable. The submitter should be made aware that at the current time that armory appears to be clear of conflict. If the heart is important to the submitter, giving the design a field would also resolve the issue.
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None.
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This device is returned for conflict with the device of Siobhán ní Bhreoghain, Vert, a chevron cotised between two suns in splendor and an open book argent. There is a DC for the change in type of the secondary charges, but nothing else.
This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." The lilies on the bordure here as so small as to be unidentifiable. Drawing the bordure wider would allow more room for larger lilies, which might help increase their identifiability.
Commenters also discussed whether or not the wing placement on the cross was allowable. Adding wings to an inanimate object is always tricky, particularly to a charge not known in period armory, but the practice in general is period. As the wings are in the approximate area one would expect, they are fine.
This badge is returned for violating our ban on so-called "barely overall" charges. This is described better in SENA Appendix I.D which states "An overall charge must have a significant portion on the field; a design with a charge that has only a little bit sticking over the edges of an underlying charge is known as "barely overall" and is not registerable." In this case, the wolf's head is mainly on the crescents, and only barely overlapping onto the field. It may not be possible to redraw this design with a properly overall wolf's head without obscuring the crescents entirely.
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Brua was documented from a site in which individual genealogical researchers post family tree information they have found. Such sites are not generally trustworthy sources for the spelling or forms of names. This is because individuals researching family history often modernize and standardize names without indicating they have done so. They may even repeat information that is not clearly supported by documentary data. Thus, we cannot register the byname Brua on the basis of this citation.
Commenters found evidence of a variety of similar sounding names: English Broue and Brewe, German Brewe, Brui and Bruew, and Dutch Brueu are all found the FamilySearch Historical Records as grey period family names. However, these are different names, and thus we are returning this to allow the submitter to consider his options.
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This name and device were withdrawn by the submitter.
This badge was withdrawn by the submitter.
This device was withdrawn by the submitter.
(to East acceptances) (to East returns)
None.
(to Gleann Abhann acceptances) (to Gleann Abhann returns)
The submitter withdrew this submission after the close of commentary.
This badge is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." The trimount here is hard to identify, both from the manner in which it is drawn high upon the field, and also from its tincture. Commenters provided examples of mounts in period armory that did extend from the base that far up the field, but nearly all such were mounts of six peaks, not trimounts. Particularly the extended vertical sides of the depicted trimount do not match what we see in period armory for trimounts. Mounts of all types in period armory are also typically of a single tincture, not paly like this; while we allow all charges to use divided tinctures, identifiability must be maintained. While technically sable and argent would be neutral and have good contrast against an azure field, in this case the sable stripes, particularly at the outside edges, blend into the field and obscure the identity of the trimount.
The submitter is a viscount and thus entitled to the display of a crown.
This device is returned for redraw, for poor contrast of the overall charge. As the phoenix is an overall charge, it is technically placed upon the field, and should have good contrast with it. While the flames are usually considered half the charge, and thus technically the phoenix here should be considered a neutral tincture for purposes of contrast, in this case the flames are not large enough to count as half of the phoenix, and they are largely only on the pale, not the field. If the phoenix is drawn larger, so that more of it lies upon the field as it should, and the flames themselves made a larger portion of the entire charge, the contrast problem may be solved.
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Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as a cogwheel, a properly drawn cogwheel has a central hub and typically four spokes leading to the outer rim, as seen in Siebmacher, pl. 177, in the arms of von Wedel. This isn't any other sort of wheel, as there is no central hub or axle-hole at all. This can only be described as a roundel embattled, a charge which is no longer allowed: "...roundels with complex lines will not be registered after the September 2012 meeting without evidence of period practice." [March 2012 Cover Letter]
This device is being returned for insufficient evidence of this motif of alternating tertiary charges on a central ordinary. While we have some evidence of the pattern of alternating charges on a bordure in English armory, there is no evidence of a similar pattern on a central ordinary such as a pale. Far more typically, a central ordinary would be charged with one type of charge between two other types of charges, for example a crescent between two mullets.
(to Meridies acceptances) (to Meridies returns)
None.
(to Middle acceptances) (to Middle returns) (to Middle pends)
None.
(to Northshield acceptances) (to Northshield returns)
None.
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A slightly different depiction of this device was returned in April 2012 for several reasons:
Garcia Lopez de Mauleon. Device. Per pale gules and vert, a quatrefoil within and conjoined to an annulet argent. Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as four goutte d'eau conjoined in cross points to center,, commenters could not reliably identify the charge or charges within the annulet, as the gouttes were drawn without wavy tails. Most felt this overall motif looked more like a propeller of some type, which is obtrusively modern. The charge within the annulet has been reblazoned as a quatrefoil, although a properly drawn quatrefoil would have a slightly larger center. The annulet is also unacceptably thin, being little more than a single line.
This device is returned for conflict with the badge of Çinara Suberria, (Fieldless) A cherry blossom within and conjoined to an annulet argent. There is one CD for fieldlessness, but no difference granted between a cherry blossom, which is a cinquefoil, and a quatrefoil.
First, we note that this is not an appeal, as the depiction was redrawn to solve one of the style problems: that the annulet was too thin. This redraw solves that problem.
Additional documentation was provided to show that the "gouttes" were a period charge. The documentation shows that these are not gouttes, but almonds. They are a period charge, used both in a in saltire points to center arrangement and in bend. Thus, this charge, and this depiction of the individual charge, are registerable.
Finally, Orle provided documentation of similar motifs in period, like water-wheels and a quatrefoil within and conjoined to a mascle. Thus, this arrangement, while it may in some ways resemble a modern propeller, has been shown to be substantially similar to period motifs.
Another problem, however, remains and requires that this resubmission be returned. These four items conjoined in cross continue to look like a quatrefoil. As such, this depiction still conflicts with Çinara Suberria, (Fieldless) A cherry blossom within and conjoined to an annulet argent, as cited in the April 2012 return. Drawing them so that they are not conjoined, as in the period arrangement of these charges, ought to remove the appearance of a flower that the combined charges have. However, the charges might be hard to recognize if they were not conjoined to one another but were conjoined to an annulet.
This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Commenters were unable to identify the flowers as magnolia blossoms, or as any other particular type of flower. The submitter also did not provide any evidence that magnolias were known to period Europeans. Please advise the submitter, upon resubmission, to draw the eagle slightly smaller so the chevron inverted may be better centered upon the field.
No documentation was presented nor could commenters find evidence that the second byname, le Voyageur, was a period byname or that it could be constructed as one. To do that, it would have to be shown that similar words/concepts were used to create bynames. The word itself is period, dated to 1415 in the French Centre National de Ressources Textuelles et Lexicales (http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/voyageur). But that is not sufficient to show that it is a plausible byname.
If evidence can be found for the byname, the submitter should also address whether dit or dite should properly be used with this byname.
We would drop this byname in order to register the name. However, the submitter allows no changes, so this submission must be returned.
We note that two forms were included with this packet: one gave her name as Sabine de Saintes dit le Voyageur and a submitted form as Sabine de Saintes. The second form gives the name appearing on the Letter of Intent as the submitted form. We remind kingdoms that they should not create new forms when names must be changed. If that is not the case, the discrepancy should have been noted on the Letter of Intent. We assume that they communicated with the submitter and know that her intended submission is the header form above. If it was her intent to register Sabine de Saintes, she may of course appeal the return.
Her badge was registered under the holding name Sabine of Southkeep.
(to Trimaris acceptances) (to Trimaris returns)
None.
(to West acceptances) (to West returns)
- Explicit littera renuntiationum -
This device is pended until the outcome of the current discussion on how we treat a sheaf plus another charge in the same group is handled, which should be decided in June 2013. This submission will be decided at that time.
There is a step from period practice for the use of an Oriental abacus.
This was item 1 on the Atenveldt letter of February 25, 2013.
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After the close of commentary, commenters asked whether this name consisted of two bynames (one meaning "knight, horseman" the other meaning "of the Kinggiyad people"). We require a registered name to have a given name as well as at least one byname. This is pended to allow commenters to research whether either was used as a given name or something like one in medieval Mongolian.
Ba'atur is a name element meaning "knight." As the submitter is a knight, this name does not create an inappropriate claim.
This was item 3 on the Lochac letter of February 25, 2013.
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The submitter has permission to conflict with the device of Degary Golafre of Pembroke, Quarterly sable and gules, a griffin segreant coward maintaining in its dexter talon a Celtic cross and in its sinister talon a sword inverted Or, the device of Gavin Flandre, Gules, a griffin segreant checky argent and azure, the device of Kiera Loch Beldragon, Gules, a griffin segreant maintaining a harp Or, a chief urdy erminois, the device of Morgan ap Siarl, Gules, a griffin segreant ermine maintaining in its dexter foreclaw a cross of four lozenges Or, the device of Nicolette de Coulours, Quarterly purpure and vert, a hippogriff segreant Or, and the device of William Castille, Gules, a griffin segreant and a chief Or.
There is a step from period practice for the use of a non-eagle displayed.
This device is pended to await the arrival of a letter of permission to conflict with the device of Griffin Wharvager, Gules, a griffin segreant Or and a ford proper.
This was item 4 on the Middle letter of February 11, 2013.
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